tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post3992787663397333907..comments2024-03-28T01:02:44.940-07:00Comments on Istanbul-New York-Tel Aviv: Freedom of Speech at Brooklyn CollegeIstanbul-Tel Aviv-New Yorkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04042479851595915698noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-12746406908966274752020-04-18T11:27:56.476-07:002020-04-18T11:27:56.476-07:00This is my first time i visit here and I found so ...This is my first time i visit here and I found so many interesting stuff in your blog especially it's discussion, thank you. <a href="https://www.ema-moodle.de/pluginfile.php/1/blog/attachment/337/10major.pdf" rel="nofollow">cheap essays for sale</a><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03991345220722911344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-67526460145904022762020-03-07T21:09:29.701-08:002020-03-07T21:09:29.701-08:00It's very difficult to stumble upon the right ... It's very difficult to stumble upon the right essay service for your college needs. That's why reddit lovers prefer <a title="https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeworkCentral/comments/f6qgw8/how_to_choose_the_right_essay_writing_service_on/" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeworkCentral/comments/f6qgw8/how_to_choose_the_right_essay_writing_service_on/" rel="nofollow">https://www.reddit.com/r/plantfoodfan24https://www.blogger.com/profile/18153325345584955741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-42674159003469782912020-02-17T03:09:16.803-08:002020-02-17T03:09:16.803-08:00You are accompanied by great guides who share load...You are accompanied by great guides who share loads of information and give you a lot of facts about the city. But bike tours are demanding, so tourists need to be in good shape physically. <a title="New Jersy Tours" href="https://mariamclean286437.wixsite.com/asiannyc/post/why-waste-time-dating" rel="nofollow">New Jersy Tours</a>Jason Royhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542972466616286734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-16167947117212535152013-02-09T22:41:22.928-08:002013-02-09T22:41:22.928-08:00Such language, jargon is not appreciated here. If ...Such language, jargon is not appreciated here. If was so easy to solve the problem by saying you "white Europeans go back to Europe," when almost 50% are not even originating from Europe. I would agree with you on your last sentence, but unfortunately, by infuriating your readers, few will get that far.Istanbul-Tel Aviv-New Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04042479851595915698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-91248284007609226692013-02-09T10:27:26.993-08:002013-02-09T10:27:26.993-08:00Go to hell. That's it. Just go to hell. You fi...Go to hell. That's it. Just go to hell. You filthy fascist scum. If you white Europeans can't live in palestine as equals with the indigenous Arabs. Than go back to Europe. There is nothing antisemitic about Palestinians realizing their rights and freedom in their own land. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-5828122603528473082013-02-08T10:30:54.839-08:002013-02-08T10:30:54.839-08:00Professor Fishman,
As was readily predicted, here...Professor Fishman,<br /><br />As was readily predicted, here is proof of discrimination at the event, through both the removal of pro-Israel students for no reason and denying entry to pro-Israel students with confirmed RSVPs. http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/123792/pro-israel-students-ousted-from-bds-event<br /><br />Still going to stick to the claims of there having been academic integrity or Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03325942209399384480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-12347916842214634442013-02-07T10:10:09.029-08:002013-02-07T10:10:09.029-08:00Brooklyn College has invited Dershowitz and if the...Brooklyn College has invited Dershowitz and if the constituents of politicians in NYC thought that what they had to say was odious and threatened to defund them, I would not have a problem with that. <br /><br />I have no opinion on a need for balancing of opinions. I think that if a politician believes that his constituents think that a point of view they are paying for speaking is evil, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-53313757962811552432013-02-06T21:11:31.281-08:002013-02-06T21:11:31.281-08:00Let's say Brooklyn College invited Alan Dersho...Let's say Brooklyn College invited Alan Dershowitz or David Horowitz to air their views without providing any balancing speakers. Would you still support politicians threatening to withdraw funding?Ernie Halfdramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06463362099448607727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-91594587238749226032013-02-06T10:32:09.256-08:002013-02-06T10:32:09.256-08:00Thanks for your comment. Once again, I understand ...Thanks for your comment. Once again, I understand your point but will have to disagree. I do not see how they are not adhering to academic integrity. In any case, to withhold funding is unacceptable. I suppose half the events on Israel, which are often sponsored by departments, should be cancelled, if you ask students sympathetic to Palestinian cause. This is not an easy topic to approach and I Istanbul-Tel Aviv-New Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04042479851595915698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-1206214917419169742013-02-06T09:15:20.729-08:002013-02-06T09:15:20.729-08:00Of course, what you are saying is relative to you ...Of course, what you are saying is relative to you and your surroundings. For example, most people on campus what not see this as creating a hostile environment. However, there are questions that also ensure the right of a minority. Nevertheless, I do not see that the BDS is supporting anti-semitism, etc. I did not read the article you have attached, and I myself participated in a talk by Judith Istanbul-Tel Aviv-New Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04042479851595915698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-74053508558021560442013-02-05T17:49:57.230-08:002013-02-05T17:49:57.230-08:00Thanks for your response Louis.
I would like to ...Thanks for your response Louis. <br /><br />I would like to re-ask just one of my questions. Let's say the political science department were to allow a group to bring Geert Wilders onto campus, and the political science department sponsored this point of view. And politicians threatened to cut funds to the department or the university, would you still be against the politicians from doing so Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-60211175024072833132013-02-05T17:07:19.524-08:002013-02-05T17:07:19.524-08:00Abe writes: "It is simply a means of spreadin...Abe writes: "It is simply a means of spreading the word and for the political science department to encourage discussion."<br /><br />Discretion is, as the saying goes, the greater part of valor. Consider that point as you ponder allowing a group like BDS to "spread the word." We are talking about a hate group, one that employs Antisemitic themes to advance its agenda. To noteN. Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03499913931877353392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-87832471960573017222013-02-05T15:28:08.325-08:002013-02-05T15:28:08.325-08:00"Sponsor" does NOT mean 'endorse'..."Sponsor" does NOT mean 'endorse' or 'support'. It is simply a means of spreading the word and for the political science department to encourage discussion. The department did not approach the BDS folks; in fact, it's the other way around. Pro-Israel students could have and can still ask for their own event to be sponsored. They have not.Abenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-88275025386933825882013-02-05T10:58:21.002-08:002013-02-05T10:58:21.002-08:00Professor Fishman,
You continue to claim that aca...Professor Fishman,<br /><br />You continue to claim that academic freedom has been threatened, it has not been. The issue revolves around department support of a biased event, not the biased event itself. The biased event would take place in an identical manner as it is currently scheduled had the department refused to sponsor it. A department should not be biased in what views it represents Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03325942209399384480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-36305879469473345572013-02-05T06:57:39.406-08:002013-02-05T06:57:39.406-08:00"It is certainly in the right of the Politica..."It is certainly in the right of the Political Science Department to support student initiatives."<br /><br />Prof. Fishman,<br /><br />Two points. <br /><br />1.What policy do other colleges and universities have about departmental sponsorship of programs that have an overt political agenda, not an academic agenda? My bet is that most academic organizations would not permit what your N. Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03499913931877353392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-76416027744549591552013-02-05T05:12:49.749-08:002013-02-05T05:12:49.749-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03907882510339043251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-16030036536900112442013-02-04T23:34:43.321-08:002013-02-04T23:34:43.321-08:00Its a good statement. The department chair and the...Its a good statement. The department chair and the college president need public support. The central issue is academic freedom vs. the state's proclaimed right to control free speech at the college. The threat of withholding funding is clearly coercive and administrators have to take it seriously.<br /><br />The boycott and divest movement is an effort to peacefully resolve an international Kevin Hornbucklehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16429147620605918442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-15524091674865131672013-02-04T23:14:45.037-08:002013-02-04T23:14:45.037-08:00thanks for all of your comments, the discussion is...thanks for all of your comments, the discussion is important.<br /><br />1. I was not involved in/or have privy information about the unfolding of events.<br />2. It is certainly in the right of the Political Science Department to support student initiatives. <br />3. Freedom of Speech, organization, etc on public campuses should not take into consideration, taxpayers, and other groups' Istanbul-Tel Aviv-New Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04042479851595915698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-65298432600127584412013-02-04T19:17:26.559-08:002013-02-04T19:17:26.559-08:00As a public institution that is publicly funded, t...As a public institution that is publicly funded, the public should have a right to speak out. I fail to see how as Professor Fishman does, that it is clear that a publicly funded un-elected political science department supporting one side of an argument is a good thing, but responding by opposing said view and threatening to defund the dept. is a bad thing. Politicians giving money to causes Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-35790178692785449742013-02-04T12:57:46.118-08:002013-02-04T12:57:46.118-08:00Thank you for providing proof for me, "should...Thank you for providing proof for me, "should this event occur, we must strongly oppose it and ask you to reconsider any official support or sponsorship". In the very letter you're using as proof, they're asking for the sponsorship to be withdrawn. The actual letter demands that the department cease sponsoring the event, the "summary" claims to demand that the event Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03325942209399384480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-10041734719263475652013-02-04T11:57:52.570-08:002013-02-04T11:57:52.570-08:00Jonathan: Not true. Explicit threats to the colleg...Jonathan: Not true. Explicit threats to the college's funding have been made if the event is allowed to go forward by elected officials:<br /><br />3<br /> <br />Feb<br /> We have the document. Lewis Fidler, Assistant Majority Leader of the NYC Council, and several other members of the City Council, write in a letter to Brooklyn College President Karen Gould that if the BDS event is not Alex S. Vitalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06223350068042808768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7689679897453828827.post-81021442304098732342013-02-04T11:40:10.356-08:002013-02-04T11:40:10.356-08:00Dear Professor Fishman,
I think you've been m...Dear Professor Fishman,<br /><br />I think you've been misled. No one (rational) was asking for the event to be cancelled. The issue was with the Political Science department sponsoring it. The sponsorship was purely symbolic, all the funding and organization was done by private groups, and without the department's sponsorship it still would have taken place with no change. Symbolic Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03325942209399384480noreply@blogger.com